Curse

Eaimirth Etaivella · Mar 07, 2006, 06:05 AM // 06:05

Would it be considered a fact, that one mesmer, knowing the opponets skill list, could take that opponet down no matter what?

Is it true, that a mesmer could always win a 1-1 of this type?

Discuss

remmeh · Mar 07, 2006, 06:06 AM // 06:06

hell, if given merely the opponent's primary class, one decent mesmer could EASILY solo that opponent. no matter what.

sno · Mar 07, 2006, 06:08 AM // 06:08

First of all, Mesmers have loads of amazing qualities, and I'm sure you're about to get flamebombed (although I highly discourage it.)

Secondly, it is quite possible for a mesmer (supposing that he knows the opponents skillset) to destroy any target of any other class, with the possible exception of an interupting ranger.

@ mantra of resolve: a good interupter will be able to interupt several skills rapidly, which (now that resolve and distortion have been nerfed) will drain the mesmer quite quick. It certainly wouldn't be "easy", especially if the r/mo had hex removal.

Dragannia · Mar 07, 2006, 06:12 AM // 06:12

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Originally Posted by sno

First of all, Mesmers have loads of amazing qualities, and I'm sure you're about to get flamebombed (although I highly discourage it.)

Secondly, it is quite possible for a mesmer (supposing that he knows the opponents skillset) to destroy any target of any other class, with the possible exception of an interupting ranger.

Mantra of Resolve.

Game and set.

remmeh · Mar 07, 2006, 06:21 AM // 06:21

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Originally Posted by Dragannia

Mantra of Resolve.

Game and set.

and/or Distortion for match

SnipiousMax · Mar 07, 2006, 07:04 AM // 07:04

Mesmer's are kinda the "anti" character. But everyone has weaknesses, and any good player would now what any good mesmer would do against them...and prepare. I think its hard to say that a mesmer will always win 1v1.

Avarre · Mar 07, 2006, 11:15 AM // 11:15

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Originally Posted by sno

First of all, Mesmers have loads of amazing qualities, and I'm sure you're about to get flamebombed (although I highly discourage it.)

Sno, must you remove my remaining pastimes?

Anyways, distortion was not nerfed for mesmers. Unless you were running a -2, its still -1 at 13 illu which I didn't have a problem adapting to whatsoever.

1v1, mesmers will crush anything. Even interrupting rangers aren't a problem, with the new ineptitude, we're looking at 240 damage from clumsiness and ineptitude, combined with the failure spells and empathy. Warriors are the same thing, basically, bringing along some degen to kill them if they don't attack. Ignorance for no more healing siggy wouldn't be bad too.

Necros, Eles, Monks -> edenial build with wrack will kill them, so long as you have some ok antihex and interrupts to take the first wave from the ele. For ele pblock + wand is enough most of the time

For other mesmers, it's really a who-plays-better tossup, and either way, the mesmer wins

What if... · Mar 07, 2006, 01:10 PM // 13:10

I agree, if the mesmer has any weakness, it's that many of the adverse qualities inflicted by its hexes are conditional, meaning you could probably sit still and wait for them to wear off and go about your business as usual. This isn't necessarily a bad thing though; mesmers were never supposed to act as a damage-dealing caster class anyway, they're supposed to inhibit the enemy movements.

JR · Mar 07, 2006, 01:19 PM // 13:19

I don't think a mesmer could kill a competant boon prot. Shut him down? Mostly. Kill? I doubt it.

Anything else however, the mesmer pretty much has it sown up. although as sno implied, that is hardly the ONLY redeeming quality of mesmers. They are as good as any other class in PvP.

LightningHell · Mar 07, 2006, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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Originally Posted by JR-

I don't think a mesmer could kill a competant boon prot. Shut him down? Mostly. Kill? I doubt it.

Anything else however, the mesmer pretty much has it sown up. although as sno implied, that is hardly the ONLY redeeming quality of mesmers. They are as good as any other class in PvP.

2nd Point: Possibly/Probably better, too.

Avarre · Mar 07, 2006, 02:07 PM // 14:07

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Originally Posted by JR-

I don't think a mesmer could kill a competant boon prot. Shut him down? Mostly. Kill? I doubt it.

Mindwrack energy burner with signet of humility.

Corinthian · Mar 07, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Mindwrack energy burner with signet of humility.

Yes, even if they swap focuses to combat energy denial, the Mind Wrack will still get them. And you can't do anything to Diversion. Mesmers rule!

d3kst3r · Mar 07, 2006, 02:45 PM // 14:45

Mesmers are like the specialist class designed to do 1 thing and do it much better than anyone else. Eg. an anti warrior mesmer could destroy a warrior better than any other class, an anti caster mesmer could beat a caster better than any other class, an e-denial mesmer has better e-denial than anyone else. Only problem is that mesmers uses are extremely narrow depending on how you set them up.

Cherno · Mar 07, 2006, 03:44 PM // 15:44

Well it takes more thought to build a skill set up for a mesmer throughout the game. They need to know their environment and prepare for it, unlike most of the other classes.

As they say, A Jack of All Trades, is a Master of None.

Become a Master of Many, where appropriate.

JR · Mar 07, 2006, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Mindwrack energy burner with signet of humility.

If we are just naming skills that counter each other... Signet of Devotion, Conteplation of Purity. With focus swapping even under constant energy denial you will have 15/17 energy for self heals and hex removal, if you are good. The counter to diversion? Drop that pre-cast holy veil, or just don't cast for a few seconds.

sno · Mar 07, 2006, 07:02 PM // 19:02

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Originally Posted by JR-

If we are just naming skills that counter each other... Signet of Devotion, Conteplation of Purity. With focus swapping even under constant energy denial you will have 15/17 energy for self heals and hex removal, if you are good. The counter to diversion? Drop that pre-cast holy veil, or just don't cast for a few seconds.

Indeed, a very good boon prot could SURVIVE a mesmer for quite a long time... but what does a boon prot have for damage, a wand?... The argument was 1v1, and in 1v1 a boon prot has absolutely no offense. All the mesmer would have to do is constantly throw nastiness at him and eventually the monk would run out of energy even with his focus swapping, it would just take awhile.

Dragannia · Mar 07, 2006, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by JR-

If we are just naming skills that counter each other... Signet of Devotion, Conteplation of Purity. With focus swapping even under constant energy denial you will have 15/17 energy for self heals and hex removal, if you are good. The counter to diversion? Drop that pre-cast holy veil, or just don't cast for a few seconds.

Signet of Humility: Not a hex.

Mind wrack: A hex with a five second recharge.

Burn, Surge, etc: Not hexes.

JR · Mar 07, 2006, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by sno

Indeed, a very good boon prot could SURVIVE a mesmer for quite a long time... but what does a boon prot have for damage, a wand?... The argument was 1v1, and in 1v1 a boon prot has absolutely no offense. All the mesmer would have to do is constantly throw nastiness at him and eventually the monk would run out of energy even with his focus swapping, it would just take awhile.

Not with decent energy management. And with decent focus swapping you should *not* run out of energy. The battle between a mesmer and a decent boon prot would last untill one of them fell asleep I think.

Mr Ownager · Mar 07, 2006, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Even after nerfs are considered?

Murder In China · Mar 07, 2006, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by JR-

Not with decent energy management. And with decent focus swapping you should *not* run out of energy. The battle between a mesmer and a decent boon prot would last untill one of them fell asleep I think.

The Booner will have their energy mangement shut down due to Signet of Humility. So all that extra mana on the reserves to heal then swap back will trigger Mind Wrack which slowly kills the monk.